Wednesday, April 29, 2009

Peavy

Right now the Mets are not playing great baseball. They have been decent their last 5 games, winning 3 of them. The biggest concern with the Mets is probably their rotation. If I were Omar I would get on the phone with Kevin Towers, Padres GM, and try to work out a deal for Peavy. Yes, Peavy does have a no-trade clause and can dictate if he wants to come to the Mets or not. If Peavy wants to win it would be smart to accept a trade to the Mets. This also wouldn't be a rental player for the Mets because Peavy is signed through 2012 with an option for 2013. He is making $11 this year, $15 million next year, $16 million in 2011, $17 mil in 2012, and $22 in 2013 if the club picks up the option (or $4 mil buy out). The Mets would probably have to give up Fernando Martinez and Jon Niese along with some other players (Flores, Marte, maybe even Dan Murphy). Would the Mets farm system be depleted? Yes, but in my eyes it is worth it because of what we are recieving in return. The Mets would have the deadliest 1-2 punch in baseball in both their rotation and bullpen in Johan, Peavy, Putz and K-Rod. It would take pressure off of Perez and Maine, both of whose biggest problem is their own mind. With Peavy, the Mets could have the best rotation in baseball depending on how Pelfry's arm holds up, if Ollie can reach his potential, and if Maine can build off of his last start versus the Marlins. The Mets time to win is now and Peavy could be the piece that puts us over the top. Plus he is having a not so great season so we maybe able to get him for a bit cheaper than usual. Win now while Beltran and Johan are in their prime and before Delgado's production falls off.

20 comments:

M said...

Totaly not worth completly emptying the farm system for Peavy. You got to think long term here, dude. Sure Peavy may get a few more wins but the prospects are the future of the organization.

The Red King said...

Peavy is a bonafide ace and is proven. Having Santana and Peavy who are ace's and Pelf, Ollie and Maine all having front of the rotatation pitching potential would put this team over the top. It would not necessarily be completely screwing the future either because Peavy will be here for a while and we don't know what will come of the prospects. Take the Yankees for example. They picked up Sheffield's option and then traded him for highly touted prospect Humberto Sanchez. Sanchez was released by the Yankees yesterday. You could also look at their decision to not trade for Santana. While the outcome has yet to be seen because of the guys they decided to keep, who knows if what the division would have looked like last year if the Yanks had him. Not only that but two of the guys they kept because of him were terrible: Ian Kennedy and Phil Hughes. So if this was the Mets circa 2003 or 2004 I would say you're right. However I think the Mets' window to win is closing and Peavy would put the Mets in a great position to do so.

The Red King said...

Peavy is also only 27 years old so he would still be in his prime.

tstro said...

if Omar is serious about this "win now" bullshit then yeah its time to make a move for a top line SP. if the farm system is as valuable as Omar makes out(and we all know it really isn't), then getting Peavy, Halladay, Bedard, Harden(injury history but still solid) or Webb shouldn't be that difficult.

About the pitching... with Ollie, he shows flashes of brilliance. He cruises through 2-3 innings before he just loses all control. No brilliance. The slider he used to strike out 3-4 batters in the previous 2 is now flat and allowing frozen ropes and home runs. I think a stint in AAA might be good for him. Remember we sent Steve fucking Trachsel down once and he became the best pitcher in the rotation, and hey Ollie had this happen to him once already and worked it out in AAA right before he became a Met.

and Maine, he'll work it out, if for no other reason than hes one of the few guys with fucking balls on this team.

and Jerry needs to actually do something rather than making threats, until he actually demotes our walk machine in favor of Niese or Stokes, then it's pointless and the message wont sink in. Having said that, there's only so much guys like Warthen can do, they cant go out there and pitch for them, or visit the mound after ever ball thrown.

I swear to God, I really think Omar Minaya is inept. Actually, the entire fucking FO is inept. The fact that guys like Tony Bernazard is still around tells me that the Wilpons have no clue what they're doing. Grow a pair and fucking shake things up. And these rumors that a coach or two might be sacked ain't gonna cut it. And Jerry threatening, talking tough about demotions means shit. He talks tough and thinks he's gangsta, but please. You're just as soft as Willie. At least we knew Willie had no balls. Jerry just talks tough and pretends to have a pair, we bought into his bullshit last year but im starting to see through it now.

... ok, got that off my chest, now i feel better.

Anonymous said...

I think the "win now" stuff shouldve stopped after 07, it was understandable that year because we had gotten so close the year before

The Red King said...

T-stro I'm going to have to disagree with you on a few things. 1. I think Omar is a fairly good GM. He's very good at finding guys that no one else wants and turning them around into useful players. There have been plenty of examples of that: Maine, R. Hernandez, D. Oliver, Stokes, etc. 2. The Mets minors aren't great but it isn't bad either. They're right in the middle of the pack. They have a ton of young raw talent with not much major league ready players. 3. Stokes shouldn't be moved to starting because he's solidified a spot in the bullpen Neise isn't ready to be called up even if it is in place of Ollie because he isn't performing well at AAA. 4. I like Manuel and think that he's been a fairly good manager so far. I think he made the right call to not do anything with Ollie yet because his next start is against Philly who Ollie dominated last year. Ollie's slider has lost some movement but its still a good pitch. He stills strikes guys out shown by his over 8 K/9. He needs to build more arm strength because his velocity is down as well as his stamina.

As for the anonymous last comment I'm going to have to disagree. If anything a win now mentality should be used even more so now than 2007. Wright and Reyes are just entering their prime years, Beltran and Johan are still in their prime, and Delgado still has enough left in the tank to be a productive 1b.

tstro said...

i know where you're coming from, and im sure you know my feelings on Omar. just a lot of frustration, and i think the win now thing isnt possible. if a better team was built back in the rebuilding of 2004 then we wouldnt be wasting the best years of Wright, Reyes(as much as i hate him he can be good), Beltran, etc it would be. but now theyre gonna be just struggling to compete.

tstro said...

ps redding threw four scoreless innings in the minors a couple days ago, if hes fully healthy he deserves a shot.

and lastly on jerry, I think he's using overusing his bullpen already and we'll see the same results as last year. I also think pinch-hitting for Castro yesterday when he had 2 hits in the game was stupid. I hate Castro and think hes shit but his play in the game deserved that chance... he did it because Santos has a shorter swing? Really? Talk about micro-managing. And why not leave Johan in for another inning? 109 pitches, so what? He's our fucking ace. Let him be one, he did this last year a couple times too.

Same problem as last year barely anyone has a pair of fucking balls on this team. Johan does, Wright does but hes pressing and trying way too hard he needs a day off or two, Murphy does but people are giving him shit cause hes a corner infielder trying to play LF, Maine does, and then.... maybe Nando, Church probs, but after that what do we got.... Ollie's a head case, Call me Frankie is emotional but a fucking roller coaster, Reyes is a pussy that cares more about celebration routines, we don't have a catcher worth two craps, Sheff just wanted his history now hes batting .167, delgado is too old and doesnt show emotion same goes for beltran minus the age.

where's the emotion? heart? if jerry's such a gangsta then he should inspire these pussys. there's no killer instinct, no ability to come back like the 99 and 2000 teams, heck even the 2006 team despite how overrated i think they are still had that. those teams seemed like every time they were down late in a game, they had a chance. That was a nice feeling. Now, you can pretty much write the ending in key situations.

theres no fucking emotion on this team. remember when they blew it last year leaving murphy on 3rd vs the cubs? remember how excited he was after the leadoff triple pounding the dirt? or when wright scored the go ahead run vs the phils in july that huge fist pump? i havent seen any of that this year, the most excited ive seen is johan when hes pitching well. do most of them even want it? but no Murphy is gonna get crap from fans cause hes forced to do something he cant too well in the field and Wright is trying too hard cause hes the face of the franchise cause hes one of the few that can fucking speak english... so when things go bad it effects him the most.

whew... i thought i got most of my frustration out, apparently not... that may be it idk.

The Red King said...

Redding will be nice to have once he comes back.

I think Jerry is overusing the bullpen a little bit but it's not really his fault. The loss yesterday was in no way a reflection of his bullpen usage. The Mets only strength right now is their bullpen and when you have Putz and K-Rod you shouldn't be afraid to go to the pen. It's early in the season and 109 pitches is a lot for the beginning of the year, especially one who came into the season with injury concerns.

As for pinch hitting for Castro, I can't say I agree with the move but then again Santos has been swinging a hot at-bat. You also wouldn't be disagreeing with Manuel had it worked.


As for not having heart I think that its way overrated for this team. Beltran and Delgado are both soft spoken guys but it doesn't mean they don't care. Who cares whether or not they show emotion on the field or not. You just ripped apart Reyes for showing emotion. I can't agree with you at all on that. Beltran played like shit in 2005 because he cared TOO much. I don't agree with you on Reeys or Delgado either. Both care about winning. Also as much as I don't like Sheff, he has actually been hitting the ball pretty well. His batting average is only .167 but his BABIP is .190. That's insanely low and his luck should turn around. His ISO is .200 which would give him right about 25-27 HRs.

tstro said...

there's a difference between showing emotion, wanting to win and stupid high five routines and acting like a chicken with your head cut off.

the day he doesnt dissapear in a big game (or september and october for that matter) is when ill respect him.

todays a perfect example of why i dont. instead of giving himself up for the betterment of the team hes up there trying to bunt for a base hit. cause he thinks he better than that cause someone had to go and declare him THEMOSTEXCITINGPLAYERINBASEBALL so he cant just merely square up and bunt hes gotta fucking lean over to get ready to beat it out. just move the runner over douche.

then he has the nerve to fucking stand there looking for the sign with that pissed off look on his face like "me? your asking me to sacrifice?" then goes and strikeouts... wasnt a good result but hey im sure it was an exciting play... heck im gonna go as far as saying that was the most exciting play in baseball today... asshole.

and oh yeah 0-5 today. great job in a series we really need to win... what a joke.

if jerry has any balls hell bench him for not bunting right and start cora (who was very impressive today) tomorrow.

... ok thats it... sorry had to get that out, carry on.

The Red King said...

once again I'm going to have to disagree. bunting isn't really a smart move. I don't know if he disobeyed Jerry or not but either way I wouldn't be bunting with Reyes up. He's a great hitter and it's actually statistically proven that bunting in situations like that isn't the smartest idea. Also I think we're both biased because you clearly hate him and I love him lol

Stevie D said...

Hughes looked good in his first start, so take that "terrible" moniker off him, thanks.

Stevie D said...

I don't think heart is an overrated part of a team. Blowing back to back September leads shows that the Mets dont have guts; they just expected it to happen after they had the lead, and couldn't muster up a response. It's why the bullpen sucked last year too (that and wagner hurt). Putz- one blown game already. Even if your bullpen is a strength, you can't have them pitching 5 innings every game. Reyes is overrated and a clown, he pisses people off. He's only had 200 hits once, never had 100 rbis, only hit .300 once and doesnt draw walks. Only thing he does is steal bases. I know your not going to agree with me on him rory, but it's true. Mets do need a catcher and delgado is old.

The Red King said...

Ok steve ill give you that perez has been terrible. but you're probably wrong about pretty much everything else you said. santana has gone 7 innings in 3/5 starts this year with the other two going 5.2 and 6 innings. why the hell would i take the terrible moniker off of hughes after he was terrible last year, the only year i talked about? also its one start. Perez had one good start this year as well. reyes wont get 100 rbis because hes a lead off man without a ton of power. he only has one season with 200 hits but has only played in 4 full seasons getting 190 or more in the rest. he probably would have had 200 in 2006 but missed some games with an injury before the all star game. he actually isn't bad at taking walks now. The past two years Jeter's walk % and Reyes's: Jeter 8.0% and 8.1%, Reyes 10.2% and 8.8%. Interesting. He steals and usually plays good defense. Stats don't lie steve and you are wrong. the mets choked in 2007 no doubt but last year was more from many injuries and a poorly put together bullpen. Delgado is pretty old but still pretty good. 38 hrs last year isn't a fluke. for delgado its all about health. the mets catching situation is what it is. It's not like theres a ton of catchers out there who are good and can be had for cheap.

kstro said...

I am jumping on the Omir Santos bandwagon (or starting it I guess), I actually quite like him

It doesn't matter if not bunting in that situation is right or not, if the manager tells you to do something, you do it the right way

Stevie D said...

reyes had more errors than jeter did last year, thats a stat. Jeter also had 2 seasons of over 200 hits in his first four, while we are comparing the two. I am not wrong about everything. Reyes is not well liked in the league. Catching is important, a catcher is a field general, controls pitchers, settles the infield, so you may have to spend to get a good one. I agreed with you that the mets need peavy, maybe he will give them some life.

The Red King said...

errors really don't show the whole picture. you're not wrong about the error count, jeter did have 5 less. that does not mean that jeter was a better short stop because in fact he was not. jeter's arm is not as good as reyes' and more importantly jeter has terrible range. this is why people believe jeter is a good ss because how can jeter make errors on balls he never gets to. he is sure handed for the most part which leads to his relatively low error totals but his range is terrible which makes him one of the worst defensive ss in the league.

reyes is not well liked but what does that have to do with anything? it motivates teams more? great. it still doesn't take away from the fact reyes is a great young player.

i'm not arguing that catcher isnt an important position. in fact it may be the most important. but the mets have solid catching because they can call good games and have solid defense even though their bats arent great.

Anonymous said...

okay..first of all, when the hell did guts become such an important part of the game? just throwing that out there..

alright..now that i'm done blasting that observation, i think the mets are lacking in the ki energy to fully push them into the playoffs..

see what i did there? i took an intrangible thing that has little to nothing to do with the game of baseball and applied it to a team's success. now, don't get me wrong, if a player gets some kind of mental breakdown before the game and can't play because of it, then yeah, he doesn't have guts.

how about a crazy theory here? the mets just weren't that good last year. neither were the yankees. where guts fits into those situations is unknown to everyone but people looking for a way to call the other team a bunch of pussies. they both played poorly. man, breaking ground here.

phil hughes has pitched one game so far. and he won. jesus smalls alert is flashing.

ollie sucks until he's good. that's how it pretty much works.

Anonymous said...

the mets weren't that good last year, which is why i don't think last year was a choke, i mean Ramon Martinez was starting the last few weeks of the season come on people

The Red King said...

I agree last year wasn't so much a choke as it was a factor of luck. They had way too many injuries and were lucky to be as good as they were. I mean 3/5th of their rotation were hurt for most if not all of the season as well as their starting and back up LF's and their starting 2b. That's also not to mention injuries in the bullpen.